First saint as a entry level wount be like a Corvette compared to a VW hell this gun has more out in it from spring field then most high end ars have and just as good or better yes from trigger to stock to barrel to 9 in gas system this gun is the cream of the crop I put it up against the biggest boys out there yes dd colt fn ltm Wilson combat etc it's that dam good get a bmc it rapture charger a risa 189 nickel boron bolt carrier and a sweet vortex etc site sling and you ready for wwlll saints or the gun to beleave in quality over 200 years Springfield has won wars from civil war to nam. The gun is amazing and I love it - Not as much as my grandpa's old 30-30, but very very close! No Comments on Springfield Saint vs Ruger AR-556 vs S&W M&P15 Sport II Unboxing the James River Armory M14 WATCH: Idiot Tries to Rob Car Spa with Slide Locked Back by KIMBER PEARCE Leave a Reply I would get the Ruger if you had to buy a complete rifle just because its cheaper. DONE WITH SPRINGFIELD!!!!! The AR-556 has a 16-inch barrel with a fixed front sight and a round polymer handguard, while the new MPR sports an 16-inch barrel inside a free-float aluminum handguard. Moyie Springs, Idaho 83845. When the L Stal asked Nancy why she was such an a obstructionist in getting legislation passed, she turned it around and blamed the republicans for being the obstructionists and causing all the trouble and problems. I am currently looking at the Ruger MPR but am open to suggestions in the price range of $500-$1000. Love it, love it. But that will give you a good indication of the price . Neither pistol grip was better than the other. Load dummy rounds occasionally for my wifes 9mm Sig so she will have to respond to that situation. M&P barrel - 1:9 twist. This rifle's longer barrel gives more velocity. He also didnt know what else they may change/have changed on the Saint line but talked like there are other things. Cheers BMW DOG. Ruger seems to have a nicer barrel and bolt aslt assembly but maybe not as durable of an outer finish. The major difference between the AR-556 Pistol variations are the gas systems. . The Springfield Armory Multi-Port Muzzle Brake minimizes muzzle rise and perceived recoil. People that say this gun is junk crack me up !! Ruger. Anyone have an opinion to help me out? Ruger AR-556 M4-Style Direct Impingment MSR 223/5.56 8502. vs. Palmetto State Armory PA-15 223/5.56 46637. When I bought the gun I also purchased two extra PMAG-30 and a PMAG-40. Right now, AR-15 styles of rifles are difficult to come by, because of all the violence in the USA everyone wants the best of the best, to defend themselves, their loved ones, and their homes from this violence. Im curious to hear your thoughts, or anyone else. ******* The barrel features a Melonite finish for corrosion resistance and durability. Its an all around nice AR-15 for the mid cost ARs. . Springfield Saint Rifle 10 RD 5.56 16" Picatinny Gas Block (Save up to 13%) Price $893.83. I was wondering if anyone could offer some insight as to which rifle I should opt for, even if it's something totally different. The gun will shoot just fine. Springfield SAINT Edge PDW Specs. Ruger AR-556 300 Blackout 8572. vs. Palmetto State Armory 7.5" Pistol-Length 300 Blackout 5165447855. I don't look like my avatar! I dont like a carbine length gas system on a 16 barrel and the Ruger has that, not sure about the Springfield. A $3/month subscription. I will caution you that I think .40 ammo is getting very scarce compared to 9mm and .45. Weve built dozens of ARs and well cover all the best AR-15 upgrades such as handguards, triggers, BCGs, gas blocks, and more. I knew I didnt want to eat Ramen for a month, but I also wanted a rifle that was going to last and accomplish the necessities. The Wall Street Journal had an article in the Opinion page, just 21,500 votes judicially located in 3 states would have given Trump a second term. The trigger pull on the Springfield is much lighter and crisp as well, but very smooth thanks to the coating Springfield applies to the trigger group. Pins were not too tight. I am fortunate to have a good supply for myself and fellow preppers in my group but that is what all of us face in the near future. Hours of review videos later, I found myself with a lengthy internet history and some positive assurance about the Saint. 03-28-2022, 08:38 AM #2 BuckyTownsend Senior Member Join Date Jan 2017 Posts 2,013 save your money, do the research, and then assemble what you want from individual components. 500 yard shots, no problem. I am a vet, but the last long gun I fired with any regularity, was my M16A2 in 1990. Personalize your experience. Both guns were fired for accuracy over a rifle padded bag, over the hood of my pick-up truck. Expect break weight in the five-plus (a little at least) pound range, and its pretty clean. And stay in touch with newsletters of our best articles on techniques, guns, & gear. So I just switch her over and take my time and safe money. It is pretty much one sided. I am not in any way saying anything about Springfield, the company, here, but the legacy Springfield which won wars, a government owned and operated Springfield, has absolutely no relationship today's Springfield, a private company which purchased the right to use the name. Thanks for another great article Mr. Cascio. But I took it tot he range and took it easy- Sighted in my red dot and and took single shots. Both guns have a flat top receiver and both come with a standard military-style front sight, however, the Ruger front sight has horizontal serrations on the back, and it made the sight (picture) really stand out for some reason, and both have a fold-down, pop-up rear sight. With about a 6.25 lb trigger pull, the Saint is a bit better than the standard entry-level AR-15 that normally rocks the infamous MilSpec AR trigger. The improved trigger helps and 1.5-2 MOA is readily achievable out of the boxor shall I say great quality hard case (keep reading for more details on that). And, like Springfield, SIG is selling a lifestyle as much as a rifle with the Tread. The new Ruger AR556 MPR has a laundry list of nice features on a weapon that retails in the $700s. But in the ever-evolving world of the AR-15, prices are dropping while quality is skyrocketing for Americas favorite sporting rifle. Romans 1:16- "For I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ". A basic Springfield Saint has a retail of $950 or so. More from Ruger: I would chose it again. I was a little worried. This is an excellent article Pat and your advice is on target. You want a quality AR-15 and want to spend under $1000? [And yes, it was a potentially dangerous accident.]. It had a few extras like an adjustable trigger for that price. It was expensive but I received it next day. He is also a retreat consultant specializing in off-grid living, rural relocation, and survival preparedness. There is too much brass cased ammo available to bother with steel cased ammo. This thing will be going back Monday morning. The only way to get primers these days is to buy them in factory loads when you can find itevery round has One. If you find a reloader whos willing to sell expect to pay full retail if not more because hes not making any money doing it. Click below for a FREE LESSON! It does shoot just fine though. Answer (1 of 6): Springfield doesn't make an AR. H Allen Davis The Saint Edge ticked the boxes. That rifle was the SR-556, and to say it was a big success would be quite an understatement. But, the point is, that whats there is good; its well and wisely chosen. No big deal since I will likely buy 4-5 more mags. The confidence you gain in yourself, your rifle, and your ability to handle a situation is more than worth the price of admission. I saw a very nice Colt AR barrel destroyed with s steel cased squib .223 Wolf round. I know there is better out there but as far as getting the most bang for my buck I have it down to these two options. $490 for a complete rifle kit, all you have to do is buy a stripped lower and Del-Ton sells those for $125.00. The Springfield Saint is backed up well by people who really truly want you to enjoy your (their) firearm. Gray and Bwhntr65, Your experience and advice are sound. The Springfield Saint is probably one of the better entry-level, budget-friendly AR-15s available on the market at the moment. The heat plate inside the barrel grip smoked a little after the first 30 shots so I took it a little slower- I am sure it was just the newness burning off and the heat plate getting "seasoned". JavaScript is disabled. My HD gun is a featureless M4 like build. The trigger weight was perfect too- I actually like it better than my S&W shield weight- I am sure that is comparing apples to oranges but it is how I feel pulling the tigger. Bravo Company furniture all around. You get what you pay for in firearms, we all know that. I emailed customer service, still havent gotten a response for that. #1. Upon getting it home I found it to be steel case. Make sure all the preps are in place. I'll do it for my second AR. The Mission of Cheaper Than Dirt! Sent it in. I didnt expect any and didnt have any problems and the barrels on both guns were very hot after 90 rounds down range. I thought since I had it, I would give it a try. It makes a huge difference, and with accuracy, caliber counts for far less than first round hit on a vital spot. Took it home, cleaned the barrel and put 600 rounds thru it with no problems that day. I'd take the Glock and brag that I have a rich man's Hi-Point - alayonruger Bonk I would chose it again. The Bravo Company Buttstock is sturdy yet comfortable, the A2-style front sight gives it a vintage look, and the Nickel Boron bolt carrier slides with ease. And yes, i would be totally comfortable putting into a combat scenario. If I could find nothing but Tulammo or Wolf I would not feel totally unarmed. Bought it when it first came out. Ruger has a ring that tists tight to hold the foregrip whereas the M&P has the traditional one. Extremely disappointing. Springfield Armory Saint Edge AR-15 Pistol 4. Find some kind of AR now and pay the higher prices, if you wait until after January 20th you may not find any AR at any price. Ive bought many Springfield armory products in the past and never been disappointed. STE916556BLC. Ads are what helps us bring you premium content. The buttstock is a telescoping version and the pistol grip is quite a bit different than a mil-spec version it is one that I love a lot. That being said, the Saint B5 was comfortable and easy to shoot. This article was written several months back, and the ammo situation has gotten a lot worse since then. I got a Vortex Strike Fire 3 and shes dead nuts on at 100 yards and more. my glocks eat it all day long without fail; but I like to tell him hes limp wristed. My only gripe about both of these so far is the lack of ambi controls(I am a lefty) but I don't think that it will be too much of an issue. Same as new colts they not a all.out colt mixed parts from tons different companies le6920 best true for colt am.saying the Springfield has had mich good stuff as any ar these days for less ok ar 15 all or same no diff in lower if it's a 7075 upper or lower they all made same specs only finesh quality build on some or better one company mades 8 diff uppers lowers for lots only name sake on them far as Springfield being old school made ever new colts or not same as. Capacity: 30+1-Round Cartridge: 5.56 mm NATO Front Sight: None Length: 32.25-35.8 Magazine Included: 1 x 30-Round Magazine Type: Removable Muzzle: Flash Suppressor Rear Sight: None Stock Material: Polymer Weight: 6.28 lbs Made in the USA Features I love it too! Ive noticed 9mm steel case is more readily available, at least online. It was tough to part with that much money for a weapon until the first trigger pull. When I think now of really good AR-15s, my first thought goes to Springfield Armory. My knowledge of hand guns and hand gun ammo is sorely lacking. Shopping with us is absolutely safe - you never have to worry about credit card safety when shopping here Share your latest AR build or photos from the range with #RangeDayFriday for a chance to win a new firearm! Both guns have a barrel that is slightly over 16-inches long and have a 1:8 twist, so they can handle some heavy bullet weights. They were a great price seller on bulk ammo. I am also fully aware that Springfield Armory is not the only source for good factory AR-15s, and also those at an equitable price point. Springfield Saint vs Ruger AR-556 vs S&W M&P15 Sport II - Part 1 MarksmanTV 120K subscribers Subscribe 542K views 5 years ago This is a comparison video between the Saint, the AR-556 and. They fixed it before they released it. It is possible to head for the range and give it a spin just as it comes out of the box. If you havent got about 100 hours of coached time in during the past two years, I suggest getting a .22 caliber pistol and working with shooting techniques under a good coach. Springfield knows when to invent their own wheel, and when theres just no reason to reinvent a perfectly functioning wheel available from worthwhile others. Subscribe to Pew Pew Tactical's sales and deals email. Already looking to purchase my first AR-15, I did what any gun lover on a budget would do: Research. I do admit I was a bit jealous, but a few cans of spray paint cured my jealousy. Savage Arms is another major gun manufacturer that didn't have an AR rifle in its product line until recently. If it doesnt feed reliability, it can be fixed, improved later. Trigger, grip, and stock ($150+$25+$50) is more than $200 of add-ons to begin with. The password should contain at least 8 characters with at least one number or special character. Okay, theyre nothing high-rev, but theyre there. I want fill a gap I have in my long gun capabilities. If I buy the saint victor 300 blackout, can I change the entire upper to 556? In Stock. It is accurate,reliable and light. Great review overall. Again, the particular models are the Ruger AR-556 and the Springfield Armory Saint AR. No regrets! After many hours spent talking with people, reading reviews, and shooting it myself, it seems as though you cant do better for the price. I just cant pretend that it wouldnt be. Palmetto State Armory, http://www.psa.com, is still selling AR-15s and they are available and work well, they dont have the name brand of Ruger or Springfield Armory but they are very good. It now reaches more than 320,000 unique visitors weekly. His survivalist novel Patriots: Surviving the Coming Collapse, is a modern classic that reached #3 on the New York Times bestsellers list. 600 dollars will get you one. Controls are similar, such as the bolt catch and the selector. When I think of factory-built premium AR-15s, my first thought is Wilson Combat. Anybody own one or have any input? Back in the 70s when I bought my Colt AR-15 model SP1 that was about the only AR choice and you were thought of as a little weird for buying one. My other conspirators assisting found the Sig tread to be somewhat proprietary while the M&P-15 styling to be somewhat flat. Can a rifle be reliable, accurate, and fiscally reasonable? And, with a Democrat majority in both the House and Senate (with Kommie-lala Harris to break any tie votes) if Biden is seated then you can pretty much kiss new AR production good-bye. I highly recommend. When I first started preparedness, I thought to go with the most common LEO but larger cartridge, so got the G22. Why they would shorten this channel and charging handle, no one seems to know, including the guy I talked to from Springfield. So I ordered my SA Saint from the local Bass Pro Shops- Wanted brand new with no other hands on it besides the test fire dude/dudette. Just my experiences and I could be wrong. But I do LOVE to shoot. Bravo Company: Mod 0, Mod 2, Recce 14/16. I have had a Stag for 7-8 years now, model 2 flat top. There is longer rifling in the barrel of the handgun currently on my hip than there is in this PDW. I read an article about it a month or two ago but I can't remember now. - Best at u buy for 1000 it beats a dd 2000 gun all day long put them side be side u see a colti g type lll vs run of mill blues saint is a bcm no diff better dd most ars out there. For more information, please visit Springfield-Armory.com. A mid-length design moves the carbine (16-in. Good article, people need basic firearms. Whats your budget you want to stay in and are you against buying online, i know most ffls will help with the process for it. Note: There is a sizable model-option list across the whole Saint line, and Im going to focus primarily on the basic carbine, simply called the Saint. The Springfield loved the heavier 69-gr Matchking round, and I got a group just a tad under an inch and a half without too much trouble. You can choose from a dozen or more good entry level ARs though. The Lower receiver is fitted with Magpul MOE grip and the MOE SL collapsible buttstock on the Mil-Spec buffer tube. And, if you want to make some changes to personalize either of these guns, you have a perfect base to start from. &, [The money quote from the article] It is simple and straightforward to operate, and the sturdy, but not quite heavy, weight of the rifle minimizes felt recoil. I know there is better out there but as far as getting the most bang for my buck I have it down to these two options. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. My own AR came from a small shop in my state, I got it for $850. The worst groups of the day came from the 40-gr Hornady V-Max load, and if you call what I was getting a bad group, youd be wrong both guns just liked the heavier loads a little bit better. Saints come with sights! The extractor is destroying the casing when it fires so it has nothing to grab on to in order to extract. Very reliable weapon. Gray Fox. Start Drinking Purified Water now with a Berkey water filtration system. And that couple that is or was arrested in St Louis by the democratic state attorney for defending their house/ Sorry, but my soapbox is pretty shaky now, gotta go. Springfield has also released eight SAINT variants over the preceding years; almost all of these, fortunately, features a. There are a lot of good choices in the Ruger price range, so with the Ruger being American made, and they have excellent customer service, I chose the AR 556. It's a better gun than a dd look.all.it has dd dount but 2000 ha a joke I put it up against any dd and it come out on top.better finsh. Both guns also liked the 62-gr Barnes TSX load and both were giving me groups right at 1.5-inches. Id personally go with the Ruger. Ill dig more now and sure appreciate your help. And there are a shit ton of them out there. Ml m14 1911 the name is as strong as colt fn rem it's a gem try one run good lube lk frog lube gtg Springfield saint the name of quality slickrick midway ga. 1st time AR-15 owner. Rifle Kits from Del-Ton, Inc. We want you, our readers, to be able to make informed decisions. The first time I shot my new AR Saint the retaining pins for the trigger group backed out. And, if you want to make some changes to personalize either of these guns, you have a perfect base to start from. It doesn't; it stands for Armalite Rifle. I contacted Springfield and they said they do change some things. But I also know that some guns wont shoot steel case ammo very well, example: In 7.6239, SKS and AKs will while Ruger Mini 30 wont. Then the, While many people (myself included) were skeptical of Springfields first AR-15, the Saint has proven itself to be a stand-out among entry-level AR-15s. Item Number: STV975556B-SBA3. I put on a different handguard, BUIS, and trigger in it. Just trying to help new buyers. In any event, civilians are now having to protect themselves from this horrible violence. 1/21/2023 Enter to win an FN FAL Rifle 11/2/2022 [ARCHIVED THREAD] - Springfield Saint 5.56 vs Smith M&P Sport II vs. Colt LE6920 ARCHIVED How come people say jams when i.hot over 10000 rounds thur one never why People jealous that a Springfield is better most all.out there is why and better dd to.better finsh trigger bbr. However, I was shooting in a light rain and I might have been distracted a bit. The carbine version, the base Saint, has a mid-length gas system. I highly recommend this gun! I must admit that I hardly shoot mine anymore. In the same way, the Saint is an AR-15 made by Springfield Armory. Geez man. Heres my thoughts on both the Springfield and the Ruger, either gun will more than meet and exceed your expectations for defense be it on the mean streets or a battlefield. In the past week Im getting covered up with requests for ammo from people I dont even know. Alternatively, type (Glock .40 review) and see what comes up. This lightweight, polymer sight is windage-adjustable; folds flat to make room for optics and is spring-loaded to allow for rapid deployment with . The Ruger 556 mentioned above is a much better deal when you get it for $475 at Sportsman's Guide. The gun has some great features including an M-LOK aluminum free-float handguard with patent-pending Springfield locking tabs for unlimited customization. Im a Marine infantry combat vet. It is obvious to most, that the politicians have tied the hands of the police, and most police officers are pretty much a target for AntiFa and Black Lives Matter. Another nice touch on the Springfield Saint is that, like that URG-I, the gas block is pinned in place, not just affixed with set screws. And by the time your done youll have nothing but rocks in your pocket if you keep her in the fun mode. Do you have a link to any reports that you have done on that pistol? This thing will be going back Monday morning. I own a Windham carbine and it has performed flawlessly over the years I've owned it. I have the Saint Victor & The Saint pistol 9.5 Get Our Top Shooting Drills and Zeroing Targets ($47 value - but FREE for a limited time). America's Ultimate Shooting Sports Discounter, How the Springfield Saint Compares to Other AR-15 Platforms, Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to share on Pinterest (Opens in new window). If you want to improve the trigger further and help your accuracy, then check out what we think are the Best Drop-in AR-15 Triggers. trigger but made with better fitting and tolerances for a 5 pound Crisp pull. At least taking a few trips to the gun store to hold the gun, feel the bolt, and test the trigger will ensure a worthwhile purchase. Didn't want to overheat a new gun- Not sure if it matters but seems like it was a good idea to take it east the first hundred or so rounds. I've talked to some people who love the Ruger but some that said they've had a lot of problems with it. Let me add that loading the PMAG that came with the gun felt loose and not that solid but when I loaded the 2nd purchased POMAG it felt much better. I've put 500+ rounds through a Saint. Now for the bad news, right now, it is extremely difficult, to almost impossible, to find any kind of decent AR-15 rifle at a reasonable price. Ruger barrel - 1:8 twist. Thanks for your service bro bless you and keep on bearing. Absolutely no way I would trust my life to this weapon. Upon first uncasing my new love, I took special attention to how durable the Saint looked and felt. 3 9 9 comments Best Add a Comment trigger is smoooooth imo . I was wrong! Daniel Defense . I hopes that helps. I think I'm going to get an ambi safety and a Juggernaut Tactical thumb rest to go with it. Finally got in touch by phone. The mob breaking into the Capitol, is going to be used to justify an assault rifle ban.