Recently lost our beloved 12 year old stroke and cardiac arrest and we have been so very devastated. But do not carry the Z mark on their paperwork. And she has bright pink skin that burns easily. Even so, its felt that these dogs are not inferior to the reds or blacks if good breeding is present. Some people are better at this than others and some dogs (regardless of breed) are easier to train than others. This is the most popular and most often seen hair color. Our Doberman was the Black/Tan type. The thing about our Dobbi is we made the cardinal mistake of letting him think he was human, which made him a handful. Responsible pet owners do what is best for loved pet. You all claim to care so much about these dogs but yet you obviously put no effort into educating yourselves about them and how maintaining a healthy vibrate breed standard is accomplished. Calling them stupid. I pray the universe keeps you from committing such a selfish act. Im in N. Calif. Near Sacramento. Thats when she gave me the bad news. I live in the UK and was wondering why Ive never seen a blue or fawn dobi. its not that they are bad dogs yall need to get off your high horses just understand that as far as breed standard is concerned they are frowned upon Theyre doing no harm though. While they do typically have high intelligence, friendly disposition, and minimal health issues, the opposite is also fairly common. U sound like an idiot! Shes a happy girl, and makes us happy too. Propaganda to scare people from breeding, even owning, a White or Cream Colored Dobe. The winner as expected was the black & tan color with 62% of the votes, with the reds in second place with 24%. dobermans tails or more fragile and are more suspectable to breaking so docking the tail might help them. Yes, he requires a lot of exercise but the entire family is spoiled by his great temperament. In the meanwhile we put aside all our reservation about getting a puppy. the thing is..if u breed an isabella with a red rustmy red rusts mom is also an isabella a white dobe might come out.which happened to me..they r not even relatives!..my white dobbie now is 7 yrs old..hes got no defects at allhes got 2 balls,perfect eyesight..both eyes testedno hearing defect..very clean stomach,very nice coat..his coat is a lil rough..not the usual ones dat is very flat on d skin, i did a stress test for him and he passed.. my other dobes r mad with cats most dogs i guess hehe but my white dobbie is friendly even with my hamster..:D i also have a cat and he goes along good with hermy other dobbies dont, i seriously cannot consider him a fault..as he can do what my other dobes canHE IS BETTER actually..temperament wise..i can say my dobbie isnt as troubleome as my other normalcolored dobes..not agressive..its like i own a shihtzu hahaha..:D:D, Id never say to put down a doberman that is born with the defect of being white but this dog must be spayed or neutered as soon as possible and never bred. This is proved by a book written back in 1929 and one in 1939 by two different authorities on the breed. Please learn proper grammar. She has had no health problems and we will be breeding her. So what if it was, so what if all breeds came about that way? Whatever color your Doberman is, remember they have short hair and are sensitive to cold temperatures. to clear up the debate on albino dobermans. This article forgot to mention that not long ago, the fawn and blue Doberman pups were culled (Killed) at birth. Your grandad was correct about that one Dog our was Cleo. Second major problem and most expensive: woke up one morning and found MoZart wimpering and saw his eyes had changed colors: one was blue, the other a strange greenish color took him to the emergency vet hospital and found he was suffering from a corneal ulceration :-(. Slowly but surely we are all settling in, and naturally we love our Porsche. I have a male and female black and tan dobermans the female i got frim indiana the male i got from tennessee i just bred them last year and one pup came out white so please explain to me how my white doberman is the product of inbreeding some of you need to realize thats not the only way their made. Considered an undesirable gene mutation. do you think white tigers should continue to be bred, as well? Do you know if both of her parents were white? Stop preaching your personal opinions, it isnt a crime to buy a purebred dog. She was our next to last Doberman and miss all of them so much. The white doberman pinscher was created from inbreeding and are considered partial albino dobermans. This statement does NOT say all PARTIAL albino dobermans are created from inbreeding. nor does state all white dobermans are FULL albino. Any animal created from inbreeding is prone to health issues. I am looking for a PPD because I have a medical condition in which I feel I will need one in the future for my son and myself after a recent experience I have had. Currently have a red dobie who is the wildest, most hard to train girl ever! Potassium is the link between the brain and all the organs not just in dogs but in people as well. Its ignorance of the worst kind. They need adult fosters/adopters. My .25 horse had an infection on the bottom of his hoof from having stepped on something. Group csn be found on Facebook. I agree that the albino is in her gene poolbut, she is NOT an albino. At age 10 Emma had a severe stroke. White dobermans can be sickly or healthy as can ANY other dog. We lost 3 German shepherds in 11 months, 2 with in 48 hours of one another. Lay blame where blame belongs, the people who dont spay, neglect, and/or abuse animals. Where to begin Ok my family purchased a blue Doberman pinscher in 2009 at roughly 2 months of age with tail docked I was given AKC paperwork regarding history of his lineage and AKC number. You clearly mistook the information in the article that they are sick animals and shouldnt be bred. Ive had German lineage Black and Rust Dobes (larger more stout and a bit calmer), American bred Black and Tan and my favorite an American Red (brown and rust). We ate in Huntsville, AL. Im not for one second saying theyre not great dogs and Im sure you love them. Breeding white dobermans is like defecating in your own gene pool. If you want direct you ire at anyone, dont take aim at responsible breeders and owners who love and care for their animals. It is proven that the higher percentile have major health issues and a lot of the shows dont accept them for reasons! The problem happens when inexperienced people dont invest in the tests that are necessary to find out which individuals gene pool, either should or should not be crossed, with another. They were taught you give kisses no bite. Wish the health on my Black/rust dogs over the years were as good as my Cream/white. Also, consumers and dog lovers need to be educated about the health concerns of these dogs. Marvel Heroes. Hi, Ive been thinking about breeding Dobermans but not sure. The first recorded albino female, Shebah is not the only white doberman of record. Shut your mouth dumbass, if people wanna spend their hard earned money on something they want then let em.who the f**know are u to say anything. Just curious, I have a 1 year old purebred blue Doberman and he has blue eyes. I would love to help you we had our Coco a red Dobe from 8 wks till 13 yrs when she had a heart attack. Wow. I want all the colors i may breed i may not breed, but as with any thing line breeding can cause problems. Watch. Why should we try to start a new color to a breed we ALREADY have, and make the white dobies we have now suffer with genetic/health problems so that MAYBE one day the white dobie gene pool will be dilluted enough so that they only have the same health problems as the other colored dobermans? He is very gentle and extremely good with children. I then went to several restaurants and asked what could be in their used cooking oil vats prior to pick up to go to the dog food factories. They interbred the two and then bred the offspring (for several generations, I might add) and out popped what is in my opinion the finest canine ever produced. I love that they require not coat clipping. but breeding them simply for the pleasure of having a show quality dog is Dumb. Maybe one of you will actually finish reading this and do some of youre own research. The AKC doesnt decide the requirements for the show ring That would be the breed clubs. please dont make more problems than the breed already has ! I have to say that in some parts of its body theres lack of hair and I want to know if theres something to make it grow again. and there is word that her mother had a albino male ina previous litter that died at a young age that was probably destroyed because he was not a breedable color. Im considering getting a Dobie. A. I am concerned that our rather flawed, poorly evidence-based opinions may rob us of the pleasure of some lovely animals. Hey, I was wondering if they had insurance for pets, where could I purchase the insurance? And I say albino because it is not a colour it is the complete opposite a lack of colour I would never entertain a breeder of the albino Doberman and those breeders who describe the dog as rare and desirable are idiots that have no interest in healthy dogs just lining their pockets it makes me feel sick. December 11th, 2011 at 6:32 pm They were individuals but at the same time each of them had the endearing ways of the Doberman breed. The two girls together are amazing. I am searching high and low for an ADULT Doberman. Also. Always liked working dogs because they are bread to do jobs not looks I could go on to list the breeds that have been ruined but any dog lover knows what they are Thanks for reading about my memories of well loved four legged friends! You know. The only reason you didnt see them until recently was because breeders culled them drowned them or broke their necks as soon as they were born. Bashing someones religion. Having nearly 50 years experience with this breed, the one thing to keep in mind is there are known issues which even many who have absolute whites are not aware of and have no understanding of why their dog behaves or reacts certain way. If they are healthy, they are an attractive byproducts of the current standard. At age 13, which is several years older than so many who die of SDS, he is looking quite good and still out running about a mile a day! If not for their health, at least to cut down on all the poor pets that have to be put down every year in shelters. All domesticated animals including all dog breeds are a bit of an abomination or reconstruction of natural selection and I feel that we need to be wary of pontificating or judging the significant efforts of those who believe in breeding white Dobermans. Neither are purebreds. He was rescued, so his ancestry was unknown. I also have 3 reds and 1 black, all healthy. I totally agree with Dober mom. Weimie ?:). Once from the killer STAPH I got in the hospital during an appendix event. Theres a very sweet 2 y.o. He loves everyone, and everyone who meets him falls in love. So see miller to make my point your message was not only informationless to me and everyone else, it was also showing how much of a dog lover you are not,If you were you would be giving information on the health issues and such like everyone else. To do otherwise is just plain selfish. Did AKC refuse to register something you have? Congrats. You people are freaking impaired if you think breeding a white/partial albino Doberman isnt a terrible act. ?She starts her puppy training tonight! Regardless of anything else it is a well documented FACT that these white Dobermans are predestined for medical and/or mental issues at a shockingly high percentage compared to all other colors. I like any dog without its ears cut off. Pure breeding REQUIRES inbreeding. What about the thyroid condition that Dobes get? Doberman is one of the most popular dog breeds known for its temperament, looks, and great obedience. Hey I do not breed dobermans but my neighbor does I have researched the breed to the highest of levels cause I could not understand y she was hoping for a blue or white Well we both share 7 acers and have one fence around the entire property I breed wolf hybrids been doing so since I moved she breeds dobies and her brother breeds pitbulls. As an answer to Sara and all others who think white is cool and dont believe websites like http://dpca.org/albino/albino_about.htm When it came to thunderstorm phobia, all neutered or spayed Vizslas were at greater risk than intact Vizslas, regardless of age at neutering. Dogs should look something like a wolf, a dingo, or a fox if they had not been reconfigured by humans. For example, when my dobby at the his last year got arthrit, my bill was some more $500, but I received back from insurance $430 in couple weeks. Follow up will be in 2020, but until then no meds nor restrictions are prescribed. Im hopeful this discovery leads to many more years for our beloved Dobermans! There is no health issues nor do they have behavioral issues, I find it funny when people say they are bad but have never had or seen one in person lol. Steve H. Your Cleo sounds like our Athana who was an exceptional dog. You are a real jerk. I recommend both of them and if your are close to either I can give you a contact person. HOWEVER I have also read a vast number of reports from people who claim to have skin, eye, stomach, and bone issues with their whites. I take four tabs and use a mortor and pestle to grind to powder. So quality educated Doberman breeders avoid propagating them. Is the concept of good breeding practices really so difficult to comprehend? You can use it externally on wounds or internally as well. Doberman Pinscher, also called Doberman or Dobe, breed of working dog developed in Apolda, Germany, by Karl Friedrich Louis Dobermann, a tax collector, night watchman, dogcatcher, and keeper of a dog pound, about 1890. I have a fawn male and a white female, whos previous owner relinquished her to us. The fawn Doberman, (sometimes called Isabella color or cinnamon) is a diluted red. Black people have higher rates of high blood pressure and are more likely than whites to have vitamin D shortages in northern hemispheres because their skin is so dark that they dont manufacture enough of it in northern countries. Did you just comment please dont neuter your dog? Found a rescue in Enterprise, Alabama that we are currently in touch with. I am looking for a blue and tan puppy to join her but the only litter I have found seems to be for a lady that has v negative feedback from. Katie at that point was 5 years old. The white dobie has long since outgrown the initial inbreeding through which the breed was developed,as the Bullmastiff once did. He does have a barking problem and absolutely hates the squirrels that tease him. There are far too many missbread dogs that are in shelters and euthanized because someone wasnt being responsible! The population of white tigers is also too small and probably somewhat inbred to realistically test this theory. Youre a freaking genius. Idiot! White tigers are very beautiful creatures as are white lions and both occur and survive naturalistically in nature. I have a mix of Minature Pincher and a West Highland Terrier as well as the German Shepherd. And the oil is only one of the horrible things in their food. The next most widely seen color is the red Doberman, which is a light brownish-red hair coloring. NOT INBREEDING. My red Dober-boy, Steele, gets a sunburn on and just above his nostrils the fist day outside in the Spring. As a small comment, white is beautiful, in addition to being a soul and as we want them, they accept us as we are. We got her in the family when she was about 10 weeks old and now she is 5 years old!! Both of the latter are in Floridalots of luck in your search. My black & rust male Doberman is wonderful. They are the best dogs. Females spayed at 12 months or younger, and both genders neutered or spayed at over 12 months had significantly increased odds of developing hemangiosarcoma, compared with intact dogs. And breed twards the dogs origanal purpose and utilize those skills and abilities and make your dog the best it can be with a job and a life purpose that fufills its dna its urgess to do something.. There are just to many reports of health risks, and all just so you can have one in a white color. It is microscopic silver particles in water. Im sorry your new puppy has a heart murmur!! North. Well I am the Proud owner and friend of one black and rust, one blue and rust, one red and rust, and two isabella (fawn) and rust Dobermans. And humans are an inbred species wether or not you believe the principalities of Christianity. He distinctly said Sheba was an albino, the original one. I hope theyve found him a good home by now. While we did purchase her from a breeder (or so we thought) we have come to find out that she is very sick. She has NO health or behavior problems what so ever. Some years ago, I met a doberman who was glossy black with bright yellow where you would normally see the rust color. He looked kind of like a ghost dog. It is safer to put animals down in a shelter than to risk it 1. Special consideration should be taken that the Dobermans nails are kept short so that their feet remain healthy and cat like when standing. I have one of every colour and i dont see the difference they play the same, love the same, eat the same, and bark the same. As I type this, we are in a Olcaa FL hotel waiting for the arrival of our dobie #4. Brace yerselves for it ALMOST ALL PUREBRED DOGS ARE THE PRODUCT OF INBREEDING! First one Ive seen. Albinism is a congenital disorder characterized by the complete or partial absence of pigment in the skin, hair and eyes due to absence or defect of an enzyme involved in the production of melanin. You are very fortunate to have been blessed with your Dober-pal. I got her when I was two years of age and she just recently died. This is a difficult question as it is not really possible to tell whether a purebred white tiger has/has not any particular advantage genetically over a normal coloured tiger. Being sent to an abusive or unstable home 2. When he started to try to walk she was right there to make sure he didnt fall wrong or to hard. Agree! Pricy, but it was worth our peace of mind. All of which are not albinoid. Breed Dobermans with good temperaments and good health, or not at all. Home / Uncategorized / what is a doberman haversham. American breeders should all be ashamed of there product. That is the only reason. I recently purchased a blue Doberman from a breeder. I work for a Holistic Vet that created an incredible line of Cat and Dog foodif youre interested, I would love to set you up with some free samples and tell you more about it. Only try something new on small part of animal at first as sensitivity issues are indivual to dog. Best dog I ever had. Im not certain where you are located. She does not have any health problems what so ever! Its easier to do research than you think. Please contact me with information on this matter. They just recognize them as normal dobermans and because they are so rare they thought/assumes they was from inbreeding like the albinos and fawns. and please stop guilt trapping people into picking a shelter pet. It is usual behaviour by breeders when a new mutations occurs. My fawn does have skin allergies, but we are able to keep it under control, with no hair loss and his coat is shiny. They are very fearless, curious, and playful. Good morning. Lets use our brains to think about original, non-judgemental thoughts! I have had a black and tan, and then Coco, our Red. However, there are cases in which the eyes of an albinistic animal appear red or purple, depending on the amount of pigment present. they are not albino their eyes are blue. It was the antibiotic of choice in a few countries for 2000 years b4 penicillin and then it was all but forgotten about. If a red dog has one partial albinism gene, it becomes isabella/fawn. Well then what your saying is Veterinarians dont know what youre talking about stop playing doctor fool. Educate yourself, you freaking twelve-year-olds. The Doberman dog is also seen in a fawn color and a blue color which is seen much less often. Ill buy your dog. My name is nick. In the past I had 2 German Shepperd, but after my first blue doberman all my family totally fall in love in this breed and couldnt imagine our home without doberman. We lost her just a month ago at age 12.5. Otherwise it is a very serious amputation surgery after that time. They are very pretty, but I think now Im having a few doubts.) Its very sad and unfortunately very true. I have a comment about the white doberman puppies. Evilboo..you are one mature young ladyrespect. I have a fawn and hes the best thing in my life. Adding to the confusion, the color names also vary around the world, some Europeans call red Dobermans, brown. Do you live in America? Where do you live? A lot of people dont realize, a certain amount of in-breeding is done all the time, with every breed of dog (or cat, horse, cow, etc) when producing and bettering a specified BREED. It stands on its pads and is not usually heavy-footed. And that is across all colours. Most people know the Doberman as a black dog with brown markings. Andreawong.jgk@gmail.com. I find it offensive that they are still so many people who have such passionate feelings on the subject cant even do min. Your right about euthanasia. My white Doberman is both death and blind but very sweet. Blue was a Beautiful dog. The point that the author was making was that they are partially albino and albinism comes with health problems. I bet half of you owners with healthy white Dobies havent seen been to a vet more than three times with that dog. She is beautiful and such a wonderful loving dog! They should have a photo of. I had never seen a white Doberman before, so I wanted to look them up. doberman pinscher puppy. All love on four paws. If you come across a White Dobie, dont hesitate to give him/her a forever home. Go to the pound and get the dog of your choice. Amen to that. I have previously had 4dobies and one of them was born deformed. I read your stories about your three Dobermans. She has several very healthy cream ones and after having one lab-tested the results came back with no classification of albino whatsoever. It is not for betterment of the breed, for confirmation or for the show ring because they are not the breed standard. Spayed females had 6.5 times higher incidence of all cancers combined compared to intact females, and neutered males had 3.6 times higher incidence than intact males. i did some research and the original dam did have a white and the male pup (yes male) was breed with sis litter mates to keep getting the white color. She would come and take my hand gently and lead me to him if he was wet or had soiled his diaper. Her daughter has taken over the kennel and is just as driven to support the White Dobermans and the Doberman Pinscher, as a breed, in whole. I own a white Dobie and shes the best dog I have ever had. During his life span never suffered from any of the health risks associated to dogs specific on either side of his family. Bless u for trying anyway. She is 7 month old and so beautiful. So I was thinking of her as well. As for good foods there are so many nowadays. both allels are white you get a white puppy (25% chance). He lived to be 16 years old. How common is it? Purebred dogs aside from a few breeds like the Komondor (a very large mop dog) are not at all family friendly by nature and are originally bred for WORK, not to keep as a pet. If the breeder wants to limit the White, just do add a no breed clause to a buyer contract and have the buyer sign,but dont dispose of that puppy, Im sure theres a great home out there for him or her. it seems like common sense that you should never ever breed a white doberman ! if you have any questions, concerns, or comments about this fic please read through the ask blog first. More >>, Privacy Policy | Terms of Service | Contact. We also own a blue female and she has been much easier to take care of. Study up, then post a more informative comment. However, when we look at the longevity of, say, albino rabbits, guinea pigs, pigeons and budgies, we can realistically say that being white in itself is not fatal to a species. My parents breed him with a rusty female doberman with tan markings who was not from the same bloodline as Logan and half of eights puppies were white the other half rusty-colored. I believe this is a huge factor. Please help if you can. they are just another color variation such as the red or blue. We have done all the testing that any breeder should do. i have been reading up on the breed since i have never owned one, and have found alot of good information about them. So there you have it! She said it worked well. The blue and white are both puppies from are black and tans it is in there back ground so what are you trying to say these puppies don`t deserve to live what kind of animal lover are you You know who you are. black gives flavor and life, while white dilutes and uses water as base. We have beautiful, healthy dogs. Thank you for your support I hope you can answer. I have a beautiful,sweet WHITE dobie who will be five this year. Over the last 15 yrs it has become common to see oversize dobes (height as well as weight). I started with a potassium tab that you can get at almost any store. The skin is Red/pink not the eyes. It has been what most often leads to fear biting which is not as prevalent in other colors. I think it needs to be said that while whites are beautiful, intelligent, loving and just as wonderful as any other color of dobe, the akc doesnt accept them. Learn More. if there is something wrong with it, its not because of its color. A Doberman that is white is not special in a good way. White tigers are very beautiful creatures as are white lions and both occur and survive naturalistically in nature. Ive been reading the whole situation about the albino dobermans. Professional breeders now refer to it as Line-Bred. In most mammals (including humans) true albinos have pink eyes because they have no pigment at all. The white puppies are not a MUTATION GENE that has never been proven and is a lie. The animal is still considered an albino, however, because it carries an albinistic mutation. Not looking for a show dog Looking for a companion. Boy did they whine! I have rescued many homeless dogs , but I will always own a doberman too. Betterment of the most popular and most often leads to many reports of risks. Current standard at ALMOST any store what youre talking about stop playing fool. An albinistic MUTATION dobermans but not sure beloved dobermans very healthy Cream ones and having. 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